Anciennes bouteilles de Budapest ?

Elles sont 10 en tout, toutes sérigraphies en jaune, genre pour l'une d'entre elle " Teinture de Digitale "

au cul on peut y lire ( hunyadi janos saxlehner bitterquelle ) c'est bon ou pas

mesure 22,5 cm de haut et 8 cm de diamètre au cul.

suis sur que c'est pas du verre
SM
t'as pas de tofs ?

Tout un laius ici :
Hunyadi Janos - Bitterquelle
pratiquement en bas de la page !
http://www.sha.org/bottle/soda.htm

sympa ces bouteilles...

digitale c'est pharmacy et ceux d'Isma des sodas ( cotes en angleterre, sais pas pour les usa )

de toute facon c'est patpal obligatoire alors autant vendre a l'etranger aussi !!!! ( je sais que tu veut pas mais bon .....

en plus je te fais une description bien torchée gratos

Merci Isma

Allez Half au boulot

Hunyadi Janos -
Bitterquelle

Before
discussing this bottle further, we would like to state
right up front that the Bitterquelle bottles were NOT BITTERS or a
bitters-like product. Bitterquelle was a "Natural Mineral Water" as shown in the 1897 advertisement
pictured to the left below (scroll down a ways). This
misconception, obviously caused by the name, has been going around for decades
and still is extremely common. Just take a look at eBay
in the "Bitters" section where there is almost always a
misidentified Bitterquelle in the listings.
Bitters are typically alcohol based medicinal products, and though
Bitterquelle claimed medicinal qualities, it was non-alcoholic and never
purported to be a "bitters" type product. It was primarily
a mineral water; a labeled
version is pictured below stating such. With that said, we can move on...
The ca. 1900 Bitterquelle bottle
pictured to the left is
typical of the style and usual size (24 oz.) which apparently varied little over time. This and all
observed examples are a medium
to dark olive green in color, have applied short blob finishes (similar to
that seen on the apollinaris bottles), and were blown
in cup base molds with no apparent air venting. These
bottles - including the pictured one - are usually fairly crude in the
body making details like air venting hard to discern. The
bodies are usually "whittle marked" (sometimes heavily) and
of relatively crude bubbly glass. The base of the pictured bottle has the
typical embossing which is "SAXLEHNERS / (dot) / BITTERQUELLE /
(dot)" around the outside edge of the base and within the indented
center of the base "(dot) / HUNYADI / JANOS
/ (dot). Click on the following links to view more
images of this bottle:

base view showing the embossing;
close-up of the shoulder,
neck, and finish.
The Bitterquelle bottles are among the
most commonly found late 19th and early 20th century mineral water
bottles in the U.S. (along with the apollinaris bottles) and were likely imported from Hungary
as they have a European glass look to them. Due to
the commonness of these bottles on American historic sites they are covered
here even though of foreign manufacture. This product and bottle style was
apparently popular enough that similar "knock-off" bottles were being offered in the early
20th century Illinois Glass Company (IGCo.) bottle catalogs simply as
"Hunyadi Janos" style bottles. Like "Kleenex" or "Scotch Tape" this
type of bottle was identified strongly with Hunyadi Janos and their brand
or type
of mineral water. Almost certainly the bottles offered by IGCo. had
unembossed bases (such have been observed) and was
attractive to producers who wished to imitate some of the cachet of the
true Hunyadi Janos Bitterquelle brand. Whether the IGCo.
bottles were actually made in the U.S. by IGCo. is an open question as
there are strong indications that some bottles offered by IGCo. in their
catalog were imported (Jones 1961). Click
IGCo. 1906 catalog - pages 260-261 to see a 1906 catalog listing (bottom of the right
hand page). This catalog notes that the bottle comes
in "pint" (12 oz.) and "quart" (24 oz.) sizes in both green or amber glass.
The Hunyadi Janos bottles from the IGCo. were available at least as early
as 1899 and as late as 1911, but gone from their catalogs by 1920 (IGCo. 1899, 1911, 1920).



Bitterquelle, a
"bitter aperient water", was bottled by Andreas Saxlehner
from a spring in Ofen, Hungary who named it Hunyadi Janos
after an early 14th or 15th century Hungarian national hero (Schulz
1980). (This was apparently an early marketing based appeal to
patriot urges.) Mr. Saxlehner in his advertising made frequent claims
to the "aperient" qualities of his water which means "gently moving the
bowels", i.e., a laxative (Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary).
Saxlehner also made many other medicinal claims including that his
bottled water being good for "hemorrhoids" and "organic diseases
resulting from a fatty degeneration", for the organs of "respiration
and circulation", and for "the evil consequences of indiscretion in
diet" (Schulz 1980). To the right is a close-up picture of an original
label on an early 20th century example; click
Bitterquelle with a label to view the entire labeled
bottle.



Dating Summary/Notes:
The first importation of these bottles into the U.S. is not known for sure, but the
1897 advertisement to the left notes that the product had been "...a
continuous success for over 25 years in the U.S.A." indicating an
introduction here by the early 1870s.
Schulz et al. (1980) noted that Bitterquelle was
first marketed in 1863 (Europe most likely) and was being shipped to California
by at least 1879. The authors also noted that many of the Bitterquelle bottles excavated in
Old Sacramento were found in "late deposits" likely implying the late 19th to early
20th centuries. Mouth-blown Bitterquelle bottles are indeed commonly found on historic
sites from the 1890s until well into the 1910s, although the product was produced
and imported into the U. S. at least into the 1920s as it was still being
advertised in 1923 (Fike 1987). Bottles from the later era (mid to late
1910s and later) were
machine-made and exhibit machine-made diagnostic characteristics, though they
are otherwise
identical to the mouth-blown examples as to conformation and color (empirical
observations). Click on the following links to view images of a
ca. 1920 machine-made example:

full bottle view showing the identical size, shape, and color to the older
versions;
base view showing the identical embossing
pattern
(though lacking a suction scar indicating production by a non-Owens
semi-automatic or automatic machine);
close-up of the shoulder, neck and finish with various machine-made diagnostic
features pointed out. As inferred earlier, the mouth-blown examples have
diagnostic characteristics (i.e., applied finish, lack of air venting, crude
glass) that make them appear older if they had been made in the U.S.; this
is a function of the earlier glassmaking techniques used by many European glassmakers
through at least the second decade of the 20th century (empirical observations).
Note: Identically shaped - though presumably not embossed -
examples in "quarts" (24 oz.) and "pints" (12 oz.) were listed in early 20th
century Illinois Glass Company (Alton, IL.) catalogs as "Hunyadi Janos"
bottles; apparently this was not a trademarked name in the U. S. The
bottles were available in "green or amber" glass, with the notation that
they could be furnished in "...the Imported Color on order." It is likely
that these bottles were actually made in Europe and imported and sold by this
company, though that is not known for sure (Illinois Glass Co. 1903, 1906, 1911;
Jones 1961). Click

IGCo. 1906 catalog - pages 260-261 to view the offering of these bottles in
the 1906 IGCo. catalog. Non-embossed examples of these bottles have been
observed by the author and are possibly the same bottles advertised by this company.

je les tophs demain matin car j'ai une confiance limité au flash

Sm, je savais que tu avais de la bouteille

j'ai fait un essai

j'ai cru lire dans le lien D'Isma, 1890 ET 1920

HA BON Steph

je suis des vooooootre, car j'ai bu mon verre comme les autreeeeeeees

elles sont vides

le sale mome a écrit:

j'ai fait un essai

tU FAIS DES TEINTURES EN PLUS

dans le lien ils parlent de bouteilles autres que pour le soda ?
j'ai pas tout lu

bon ce sont si j'ai bien compris des bouteilles de boissons apétisantes
alors pourquoi cette inscription par dessus ?

il y a un forum américain dédié aux bouteilles faut que je le retrouve
tu pourrais leur poser la question...

...ils disent que meme si il y a bitters dans le nom, c'était bien pour de l'eau de Seltz

http://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/Bitterquelle/m-176353/tm.htm

Moi et l'anglais je délègue tout pouvoir à mon coin coin

isma a écrit:

http://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/Bitterquelle/m-176353/tm.htm

pas bien interressant ... mais Collectionneuse americaines

Bitterquelle, a
"bitter aperient water", was bottled by Andreas Saxlehner
from a spring in Ofen, Hungary who named it Hunyadi Janos
after an early 14th or 15th century Hungarian national hero (Schulz
1980). (This was apparently an early marketing based appeal to
patriot urges.) Mr. Saxlehner in his advertising made frequent claims
to the "aperient" qualities of his water which means "gently moving the
bowels", i.e., a laxative (Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary).
Saxlehner also made many other medicinal claims including that his
bottled water being good for "hemorrhoids" and "organic diseases
resulting from a fatty degeneration", for the organs of "respiration
and circulation", and for "the evil consequences of indiscretion in
diet" (Schulz 1980). To the right is a close-up picture of an original
label on an early 20th century example.

L'eau miraculeuse

C'est étrange cette insciption du coup ; recyclage par un pharmacien en panne de contenants ,

moi je retiens que machin ou machine les a vues à 20 dollars en magasin mais qu'il ou elle ne mettrait pas plus de 3 dollars
mais bon peut être que machin ou machine est radin ou radine

en fait y'en pas mal en vente et j'ai vu ça à 6 euros, 23 $... bref un peu à tous les prix...
mais est-ce que ça s'achète ?

non ca se casse pour voir si c'est du verre